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Fig 08-03-2013 03:27 PM

But foreskin is not a flaw. It is not a detriment to man and its anatomy in anyway. Circumcision is merely a precaution/ritual thing.

Rawn M.D. 08-03-2013 04:25 PM

Lol jesus was not the king of jews

he proposed a change in how God was viewed tho
the Jews that help power did not like this

hence his followers being Christians n not Jews
and the old testament god being more fierce n vengeful
While the new testament god is more compassionate and forgiving

but Ye at right of passage n is real covenant
it's also more hygenic

Fig 08-03-2013 04:28 PM

Fuck a circumcision

Ant eater on deck

Rawn M.D. 08-03-2013 04:34 PM

Lol @ ant eater

but @Coup for perspective regarding jesus, king of the Jews or not

veritas 08-03-2013 04:38 PM

Rawn...if he is the king of kings....wouldnt that make him the king of jews by proxy?

Rawn M.D. 08-03-2013 04:40 PM

Veritas depends who u ask

a Christian - yes
a jew - don't think so, that answer would Prolly b David or Solomon w a close second

Fig 08-03-2013 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VERITAS (Post 110705)
Rawn...if he is the king of kings....wouldnt that make him the king of jews by proxy?

That would make him true king of the blacks

Tell me, are u okay with this?

veritas 08-03-2013 04:50 PM

Sure. He is my king as well so it all works out my brother.

veritas 08-03-2013 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rawn M.D. (Post 110706)
Veritas depends who u ask

a Christian - yes
a jew - don't think so, that answer would Prolly b David or Solomon w a close second

The jews eyes will be open.

Rawn M.D. 08-03-2013 04:55 PM

Lol they haven't in how many years

it's okay the bc when the proclaimed king returns they get safe passage immediately to heaven

Coup 08-03-2013 04:59 PM

Jesus (Zeus) is the god of the Gentile nations (Roman/Greek) (white European nations) and other countries. "Back" then each nation had it's own culture and their own gods. Unlike today we go by "religion" which can encompass many nations...there is a big difference.

This fact should not go unnoticed as it's a key concept. Consider also that other nations surrounding Israel also took in wise Hebrews and changed their names to honor their national gods. Joseph coming into Egypt as captive had his name changed after impressing Pharaoh with his YAH giving abilities to interpret dreams...and so on.

Why ? Because YAH used these men to inpart be a witness against these other nations and to show which is living: Their idol or the Elohim of Ysrael.


Jesus is not Messiah. He is a white god of the Gentiles pressed into scriptures and heads up the same religion then, but today known as Mainstream Christianity, while true Israel sits under every bodies noses, just like the scriptures say.



That said, Jesus is literally a pale imitation of the true Messiah who came, a so called black man...he came for Israel. Many did not accept him. They cried to Pilot(sp) to put him to death. Pilot was a Roman. Some who did believe on who sent him wanted him to be King then...

In fact, like today there are many misunderstandings and debates over doctrine and who he was...all you got to do is ignore the world religions and get into the scriptures...

Yahshua did not come to be King...He came to die. A overlooked verse hardly taught in mainline Christianity is Luke 1:31-33

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Yahshua.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Yah Elohim shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.


He will be King. Over Israel. On earth. Forever.

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Quote:

he proposed a change in how God was viewed tho
the Jews that help power did not like this

hence his followers being Christians n not Jews
and the old testament god being more fierce n vengeful
While the new testament god is more compassionate and forgiving

but Ye at right of passage n is real covenant
it's also more hygenic

Yahshua proposed no change in the everlasting law of the Father or how it is viewed....He taught and told everyone to keep the law and do. In fact, he said,


Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.


For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Quote:

hence his followers being Christians n not Jews
and the old testament god being more fierce n vengeful
While the new testament god is more compassionate and forgiving
^this is a very common ideology and philosophical concept many unlearned have.

For I am the YAHUWAH, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

The "OT" vs "NT" is a false dicotomony created up by the Gentile nations and their vein ways...

I grantee you that you do not understand the "NT" without a through understanding of the "OT"

Many don't have that understanding. Not a diss. Rev 12:9 will help you understand why.

You can't learn the scriptures with Gentile googlies...gotta keep in mind the historic prespective and what is being talked about. The scriptures are not about white people...this serves as no diss, just the truth. Though 'whites' are welcome to follow the lamb where ever he goes....and become part of the family of Elohim, which is and will always be Israel.

Not Christians whom have a pagan understanding of the scriptures.


disscuss.

ANd yes, Yahshua was circumcised. It represents the covenant. Yahshua came in teh volume of the books ("OT") and at 8 days old it happened according to the law as instructed by the Creator.

PancakeBrah 08-03-2013 05:23 PM

Yeah but religion is all made up fairy tales by old school Charles Manson's before the internet.

We all know that.

Eŋg 08-03-2013 05:27 PM

@Coup

that was actually interesting. i read it, although i woulda been lost if Rass Kass hadn't spoken about Yashua Ben Yosef a long time ago, and if i didn't now what the terms Yahweh/Elohim were, but then i do sometimes read about Israelites, and listen to Killah Priest.

top five.

Coup 08-03-2013 05:35 PM

Some family in LA I know personally know Killah priest....did not know he knew truth. That's awesome @oXus




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Here is a break down I did a while ago on Luke 1

For your enjoyment...here scriptures free of pagan world traditions:

Luke 1:32-33
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and Yah Elohim shall give unto him the throne of his father Dawid.

David was not called his father. David was his father, genetically and genealogically speaking. Joesph was a direct descendant of King Dawid. The seed came directly down. Though YAH planted the seed in marium

And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

What was Jacob's name changed to ? Israel. The house of Jacob is the house of Israel. This is what Yahshua was born to do. Rule. Technically speaking the Angel Gabriel did not tell Mary what he would do while he was alive, but after his 2nd return. When Yahshua was here the first time he did not do these things, he came in the flesh to die. Which we can read in the old testament and see that was what he was going to do.

The people of the time knew from the scriptures that the Messiah was to come at that time through the prophecy of Daniel. Daniel understood the prophecy of Jemimah. All the scriptures work hand and hand, that is how they and us today gain understanding. By reading them. Everyone was looking for the Messiah and here comes the angel telling Mary the good news.

At this point the whole house of Israel was under the rule of the Roman Empire. They were not as a Kingdom like unto times of King Dawid and all the other kings of Israel. They had been under Babylon captivity, the Medo Persian captivity and Greek captivity. Under the then current captivity many knew what the scriptures had promised concerning Messiah.

going deeper...

Isaiah 11th Chapter

v1
And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots

Who was Jesse ? King David's father. Both are dead, and have already came and went during Isaiah. It's important to know the historic factor.

v2
And the spirit of Yahuwah shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of fear of YAH.

Wow the spirit of wisdom, understanding, counsel, might, knowledge and the spirit of fear of the Father.

jump to Psalm 111 before we come back:

v10
The fear of Yahuwah is the beginning of wisdom. a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

The fear of YAH is the beginning. To have wisdom of what the Most High desires in us, the wisdom of truth, you have to have fear. Fear is apart of our walk. A good understanding to do his commandments. To know it and do it. We know the traditions of men, of Christmas etc..but do we know according to scriptures? Do we know the Holy days in scriptures ? The sabbath ?

Back to Isaiah 11

We are talking the Messiah. Remember in Luke the 1st chapter we learn Messiah will get the throne of his father Dawid. The is called a branch that comes out of the stem of Jessie and the spirit of fear, knowledge, council and wisdom will be in him. He fears, and does the commandments.

v3
And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of Yahuwah: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears.

How many of us judge after the sight of our eyes or our ears ? This is what we should strive to attain to in the same righteous spirit he has.

v4
But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breadth of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

This Messiah who is going to do these things, has not yet done these things. When it says in Luke chapter 1 that he will rule over the house of Jacob and to his Kingdom there will be no end this verse above is when he will do all this. Upon his second return. This is what we are looking to today.

In the christianity they talk about a rapture and we are going to heaven and be raised in the clouds. None of that is in the scriptures. Even in the Lord's prayer.."Thy Kingdom come thy will be done" says it all. Not "I'm going to christian heaven". "In earth as it is in heaven". The heaven was not created for us to go up there.

That is where our salvation is looking to, not in that paganism that they teach on sunday. He is going to reign in righteousness. Judging with equity the poor and meek is going to be a priority.

v5-6
And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Today the only way the lamb lie with the wolf is in his stomach. The only way they can dwell together. In Yahshua's Kingdom they will not dwell as we see today do.

v7-9
And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox

And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice den (snakes)

They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Yahuwah, as the waters cover the sea.

He did not say the heavens will be full of knowledge. The earth shall be. Because Yahshua's kingdom and reign will be established on it for ever upon his second return. The word shall is future tense. The world by and large lacks knowledge and understanding of Yah.

We are still subjected to pagan religions, man made traditions while everybody has the scriptures! The best selling book on the face of the earth. Are we really following it with knowledge and understanding ?

v10
And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people: to it shall the Gentiles seek (white nations or sons of Japhet): and his rest shall be glorious.

The Gentiles are still serving the same gods they have always served. How do we know ? They still are celebrating Christmas and all the pagan high days. We are in the time of the Gentiles. After their time, Yahshua got's next.

v11
And it shall come to pass in that day, that YAHUWAH shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Yah recovered his children Israel out of Egypt the first time during the exodus, remembering his covenant made and to establish Israel as a priest nation. He is coming a second time to recover a remnant of his people. All these lands above are all "black" African biased lands.

v12
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Israel was dispersed and sold into captivity into every nation on the earth.

Yahshua even says so.

Luke 21:24

Yahshua speaking to Israel just before they were finally led captive by the Romans complete by 70 AD


And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive in to all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

uh-oh 08-03-2013 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Figurative (Post 110683)
But foreskin is not a flaw. It is not a detriment to man and its anatomy in anyway. Circumcision is merely a precaution/ritual thing.

wrong

if you are in a humid muggy enviornment being uncircumsised your prey to bacteria and infections getting under it. this is before anti bacterial soap and showers and shit. today, there is no purpose, unless your a wild tribesmen in the amazon or something.

but word

also you guys here about them crazy jews who suck the dick of the babies they circumsise? its another leftover ritual, sounds ridiculous but google it. your mouth has healthy bacteria and shit, thats why a mouth wound heals faster than any other type of open wound. but word after snipping the kids they suck it as part of the circumcision ritual

the only reason i know this is because they were in the news, because they gave herpes to a couple babies and killed them

google it. its real i made none of that up

Malachi 08-03-2013 05:54 PM

Wtf

PancakeBrah 08-03-2013 05:58 PM

Yeah, they talked about that on Joe Rogan's podcast once I think.

uh-oh 08-03-2013 06:09 PM

yo coup

you realize yashua was a semite right

not a black dude

but word to alot of that in the historical sense

alot of historians believe thutmose to be moses, im pretty sure its thutmose. i remember seeing something on that tho it was pretty dope.

i like looking into history, ancient history for the most part, so im ignorant to alot of what was written in the bible.

but honestly you can't take anything in the bible as close to fact

the romans kept excellent records of all trials and etc. no jesus was ever crucified according to roman records from the region and the time. no yashua or any of that. the old testament is jewish shit. and the new testament was written by dudes tripping on mushrooms in caves in like 30 AD or some shit. too many gospels didnt make the cut, and if its all the word of god, then why did man decide to cut and leave entire books out? espescially books like the GOSPEL OF JUDAS where jesus himself instructs judas to sell him out, even while judas was dead against it. jesus wanted to martyr himself for his cause. it'd be like a rapper having his friend hire a dude to kill him, so that his cd sales and name would get out there to help his family out with the money generated. he basically killed himself to get his ideas out there. according to a fictional book written by ancient men. also why do they leave lillith out of it? no not true blood lillith. adams first wife, lillith. adam used to plow her pussy out. she got mad, god made them both equal from the earth. she wanted to be on top when they fucked. (this is real shit, not made up, from the dead sea scrolls, gospels that were withheld from the bible, from the same authors and origins of all the accepted books) but anyways she wanted on top, but adam was like nah. im gonna eat figs and plow you. im a man. so lillith fled the garden, and turned into a demon basically shunning god. so god, seeing adam lonely, created EVE from his rib, so that adam was greater than her, she was lesser than him, and couldnt complain when he plowed her.

thats all real shit. left out of the bible.

meanwhile the people who got together in constantinople to decide what would make the cut, left out all that important shit, and instead threw in stories like a balding man, being made fun of by kids, like lol ur bald, look at this bald nigga. so the bald dude gets mad, prays to god, and 2 bears magically appear and MAUL 57 CHILDREN. that made the cut into the bible you quote lol


smh

Rawn M.D. 08-03-2013 06:14 PM

@Coup I kno it's no diss tbh I kno the old far more than the new
I tagged u bc u have a thorough understanding
but although god is a constant the word choice in the two books depicts a contrasting view of God
put Into historical context it kinda makes sense too bc of in the old u have Egypt Babylon (more warring times) and sht like that while new is more the people r solidified as people n the schism is coming from within

Like old is more exodus to 12 tribes new is more sagisius n pharisis n ppl under them V jesus followers and then follow jesus thru gospels

I'm being brief Cuz of phone but in trying to speak from more secular n historic than @Coup

Rawn M.D. 08-03-2013 06:18 PM

@uh-oh sident but ur mouth is also composed of endoderm / mesoderm(as ur eye is) like ur organs so it heals faster Ita a different tissue then epidermis


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