and quantum entanglement goes into parallel universes correct?

you think we're supposed to kill Earth @Edgar AlPo?

no, but does a cancerous cell actually aware of what they're doing to the body?

but what if our Earth is something else's cancer?

What if us saving Earth and inhabiting other planets is cancer?

think about it. us elongating our lives could be the end of us as well,

if its a cycle, a circular one somehow? the largest entity would share the same cycle as the smallest would.

We grow up, get old, get smaller, then die and totally decompose, and our body is recycled down to the molecules, and even smaller. If we break that cycle, we could totally kill ourselves off

I believe that is exactly what the world is, I believe the universe works on the same levels, from the very small to the very massive. What we do has an impact on the cell we inhabit, just like the molecules in the cells they inhabit...it's very basic, yet mind blowing to know that even from the smallest particle to the biggest star, everything in principal works in exactly the same way.

And yeah, quantum entanglement is one of the indications parallel universes may well exist, as two particles can become entangled whether they are lightyears from each other, or seemingly even in different dimensions, orbiting each other, when one reacts one way, the other instantly reacts too. There was an interesting experiment, accelerating particles, that suggested particles arrive at their destination before they have even left, seemingly going in and out of another dimension, making scientists believe they have the ability to be in twp or even many places at the same time. For example, an electron can travel through a solid wall as if it wasn't there, because it is already on the other side of the wall.

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great thread

current laws of physics say that "molecular" style of life exists only on the one we know now. So our galaxy isn't an atom of some larger universe, and electrons aren't the stars of some other small universe etc

Didn't read the ensuing discussion, but you're right to note the parity throughout nature. In physics, there is a massive undertaking to develop the "theory of everything," which would be a set of laws and equations under which all physical properties can fit neatly. At some point, that may be a conceivable accomplishment, but there are many enormous hurdles before any significant gains are made. Certainly makes you think.

"Beamed me up, Scotty!"

"The universe is shaped exactly like the earth,
if you go straight long enough you'll end up where you were"
~Modest Mouse / Third Planet

yes, since electrons have negligible mass they can essentially be at any given place at a certain time. we just have a probable location for it, ie electron orbitals

I understand what you're saying in terms of "complex life"

but what I'm talking about isn't the same concept idt

while people can have a difficult time grasping the multi-verse/parallel reality concept , for obvious reasons. one way to think about it is this:
- in a world of polarity and relativity, NOTHING exists without it's "opposite"
- with that in mind, the very concept of "finite" can only exist with it's counterpart, "infinite"
- while we physically can easily perceive 3 dimensions (square on 'paper' being 2 dimensions, cubes being 3 dimensions), it is the 4 dimension which even some pretty smart dudes get tripped up on, time
- but again, the concept of time can only exist if there is a concept of timelessness (finite vs. infinite)


considering the existence of the 4th dimension, our perception of time - and understanding that the perception can only exist if there is also timelessness, which is less frequently experienced (and/or attributed to timelessness when it is experienced by individuals), it is why the concept of multi-verses NOT existing is ACTUALLY counter-intuitive....

most people can't grasp it, of those that do, most manipulate it for selfish reasons - so either way it rarely gets taught.


in conclusion though: since time only exists if there is timelessness, in a state of timelessness, EVERYTHING that has happened in the past and COULD happen in the future IS happening at the exact same "time" (of which, there is none, in a state of timelessness).



lol... anyone smelling what i'm stepping in?

Word. u should check out Into the Wormhole.

they had one episode where they talked about macroscopic life, and how cities and galaxies both fulfilled all the criteria to be considered life forms. it was mad interesting and they didn't twist anything around

they also showed how the cycles of a city mimicked that of people, which explains the lifelike qualities


@namix there must be a POSSIBILITY for the opposite of a concept to exist.just because it can exist doesn't mean it has to within a given system ie our universe

consider the fact that much of the supporting math behind physics, way, way back - began with assumptions.... self-defined variables we threw into equations while trying to make the equations work

ultimately, the laws of physics - while mostly agreeable to the world at large - are built on theories, which were built, at some juncture, on assumptions.

we keep on thinking we'll find the smallest sub-atomic particle, for example, by accelerating larger particles at each other....

What do they see? the same thing over and over again - but many of the ingenious folks in the scientific community are so close to the trees they dont see the forest.

the answer isn't in a finite-sized, 'smallest particle' --- it is IN THE PATTERN. the fact that we can break down shit further and further, or look further and further into the cosmos, and see the same relationships.

"Seek and ye shall find".... there was so much confirmation bias based on our physical experience and what 'great minds' before us taught us, that we fail to see that it's not that we're not finding the right answers -- we're asking the wrong questions.

What limited our understanding in the past was technology - what limits it now is technology - technology breeds more technology, and the evolution of technology becomes exponential --- which is why subject matter from like the late 1800s and early 1900s was disproved in the late 1900s... and why subject matter I learned in the 90s has been disproven in less than 20 years, and why shit we discovered a decade ago is being re-evaluated already lol.


The providence of "microcosms" and "macrocosms", and their intimate (often fractal) relationship IS evident in all sciences, and supported by many faiths and philosophies, ancient and modern alike.



so alas, i say to you: FUCK THE LAWS OF PHYSICS!!!

lol, for real though - it's relevance is only as meaningful as our desire to be 'ruled' by those 'laws'.


the laws of physics which are most likely to withstand the test of time will be the ones that are observed in other subject matters as well -- the real 'make-up' of the universe is seen most clearly when our (fallible) SCIENCE aligns with our (fallible) FAITHS/beliefs and the two combine to ring truth within the individual beholding them. :)

the concept of it IS the possibility though, no?

i hear you tho, a concept can be real or just possible. and in fact, a concept can be quite real to one person, but only possible to the next -- and depending on their perspective and perception, perhaps even impossible (e.g. indigenous tribes seeing ships come across the seas lead to very dissimilar historical accounts, due to the fact that "concept" was previously either impossible or only possible for them, so without 'shared experiences' to anchor that new experience to, some thought the ships were like flying - some thought they were beasts, and some literally couldn't even see them)

i'm sure someone else knows more about the 'details' than me, but details is where the devil hides from my perspective, so this is more intuitive and deductive than anything when i say with confidence that the answer is "yes." lol.

it's all connected, across all space and across all time, which co-define each other anyway.

one of few laws of physics that i DO believe that will withstand the "test" of "time" is: energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

so what was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be. world without end.

Yeah man, no offense, I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about. you can't just extrapolate circumstantial evidence into philosophical claims like that.

and life mirrors science mirrors thought because they're all interconnected by the same middleground, but you can't zip up their separate 'frameworks' with the infinitesimal amount of 'fabric' we have now.


I agree with you about the fractal-like relationships from the smallest to the largest levels of existence.

but yo I don't think anyone's looking for "answers" by looking for smaller and smaller particles, but they do find some 'answers' every step down the rabbithole they go. they just have a lesser and lesser individual relevance to our world

i nominate namix's long post for 1)worst post of the year and 2)most amount of bullshit in one post.