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Originally Posted by PancakeBrah (Post 169165)

There's never been a successful receiver/tight end in the history of the league at that height.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...ty-success-nfl

"Perhaps the biggest thing that would hold James back from being an excellent football player for a long time would be the same thing that helps him excel as a mismatch in basketball: his height. James is listed at 6-foot-8 and 250 pounds, but there have been suggestions that he has grown since arriving in the league, to around 6-foot-9 and the 255- to 275-pound range. It doesn't really matter. In either case, while LeBron's height would make him a terror on jump balls1 in the end zone (as Bryant suggested), his height would also leave him susceptible to something he doesn't have to fend off in basketball:2 an endless stream of defenders diving at his knees and ankles. Health is a skill, and as a player, protecting yourself from injuries is part of the job. With James's size and strength, safeties would likely resort to diving at his ankles and knees to bring him down, increasing his risk of injury. It might not be physically possible for a player that size to protect himself from low hits downfield.

That is to say that there is virtually no precedent for a receiver as big as LeBron suiting up and playing effectively in the NFL. According to the height records from Pro-Football-Reference.com, there have been only six receivers since the merger who were 6-foot-8 or taller to have any sort of NFL career, and four of them (Brad Cottam, Greg Estandia, Joey Haynos, Zach Hilton, all 6-foot-8) lasted a maximum of three seasons. Morris Stroud, who played for the Chiefs, at 6-foot-10 is the tallest receiver in NFL history, and is responsible for the rule that prevents players from standing in front of the uprights to block field goals. He had 977 yards and seven touchdowns from 1969 to 1974, so while the league hadn't yet evolved into the passing competition it is today, Stroud wasn't exactly unstoppable in the red zone in the way that James would likely be. The only effective receiver near James's height was 6-foot-8 Harold Carmichael, who made four Pro Bowls for the Eagles from 1971 to 1983. James, though, outweighs him by at least 25 pounds.

What about all those basketball players who became top receivers, you ask? Well, they're nowhere near as big as James; many3 have the bodies of players who would suit up at shooting guard or as an undersize small forward in the NBA. Antonio Gates is 6-foot-4. Tony Gonzalez, the greatest tight end of all time, is 6-foot-5. Rickey Dudley, who, like Gonzalez, was a first-round pick of the Raiders and a college basketball player, was 6-foot-6. The closest comparison for James is likely Jimmy Graham, who is 6-foot-7 and 260 pounds. Graham is a very good receiver, but he also plays with Drew Brees, which helps eliminate some of his rawness. And that two inches (if we go with the 6-foot-9 estimate for James) might not sound like much, but if it weren't a big deal, why hasn't there been a single player taller4 than 6-foot-7 to emerge as a viable receiver since Ronald Reagan became president? It's rare to find an athlete sized like LeBron, but wouldn't one have come through and played professional football by now?"

He goes on to say James would actually be best suited as a defensive end if he were to play.

whoever that is i disagree

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5360552

the guy who coached larry fitzgerald says he would beast. randy moss says he would beast. etc etc

that height argument is dumb because how many dudes his size have you ever met in your entire existence?

i've met 3. ricky jackson, kosta koufos, and raymar morgan

kosta koufos is an NBA center, ricky jackson plays basketball for like israel or some shit last i checked, and raymar morgan im not sure who he plays for but he played basketball at michigan state

what do they all have in common? they play basketball. if you are that tall, that is where the money is at. ricky jackson didnt even play football. im sure koufos didnt either. why would you when teams want you for your height alone, not even your skill?

theres not many dudes alive 6 ft 8 or taller

and if they are they are probably involved with basketball

Because their skills match better with basketball, and not football. For a reason.

He wouldn't dominate.

lmaoooooooooo @ wes welker

son had two of the GOATs in football throwing to him and dropped the SB winning catch against the Giants. he needs to fall back

but yo, if we comparing Lebron's skills to football, it's like comparing Steve Nash's skills to soccer. son could easily be the GOAT in soccer, dude has mad tricks w/ a basketball on his foot, let alone an actual soccer ball.

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Originally Posted by Art (Post 169168)

Basketball ability and size aren't enough for me to say OH YEAH HE'D BE A BEAST. No. That's like saying Wes Welker would be good at soccer because he's small and quick. lol. Plus his giant size would more than likely make him less agile on turf. I doubt he could catch anything that isn't tossed to him like a basketball. THERE IS A REASON HES A BASKETBALL PLAYER OUT OF HS AND NOT FOOTBALL

yea, the reason being he could go straight to making millions of dollars instead of going to school for another few years

football is his first love dawg

he is a football player at heart, he says it everytime he's asked about it. basketball was his second sport

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Originally Posted by PancakeBrah (Post 169174)

Because their skills match better with basketball, and not football. For a reason.

He wouldn't dominate.

he would absolutely dominate

even if you only put him in at the red zone

no one could cover him. lob him balls all day

TD CITY

and a hall of fame football player who coached on the team he played for in HS puts him up there with jerry rice nigga. said he is the only player he's ever seen who he thinks could have played and competed out of high school in the pros at receiver.

granted these are all opinions. which is all we have to argue

but your guys opinions are wrong. and mine is right. like usual.

Do you think that the opinions of people who like him are really credible? The fact Jerry Rice was even mentioned makes the opinion of the person who said it void.

It's all hypothetical. I am confident that LeBron wouldn't dominate. We'll never know, though, so it'll never be resolved.

Side note;

BROWNS

lmao browns

"Murphy is in agreement based on what he witnessed with eyes that have glimpsed the best.

If Murphy ranks James fourth behind only Lofton, Rice and Largent, then he's ranking James ahead of former teammates Sterling Sharpe and John Jefferson, NFC contemporaries such as Art Monk, Henry Ellard and Anthony Carter and so many others he has competed against.

"I went against Lofton every day in practice," Murphy said. "I saw all the things that he did. I saw his abilities and his running and his burst and his catching ability. It was the same thing to see the plays that Jerry Rice made and what he brought to the game.

"I was coaching LeBron in high school and I'm seeing him make plays that made me say 'Lofton did that. Rice did that.'

"He's scary. He really was a scary player."

YO

IM SAYING THO. as a sophomore he caught 42 passes for 752 yards and 11 touchdowns. as a JUNIOR he caught 57 passes for 1,160 yards and 16 TD's

he stopped playing football to ready himself for the NBA and didnt play his senior year

he was an animal.

he still is that animal. no one could cover him.

We're bringing up high school stats right now.

Even if you want to get into HS stats, those are very average for recievers. Esp. against competition where probably NONE of them got scholarships. I dont think he'd even be great in div 1 cfb

I think if LeBron put on a little bulk he could have at it ... but he has basketball legs right now .. he needs football legs esp at tight end when your getting hit mostly by lb and safeties comming full speed ... wide outs get tackled mostly by dbs whom are similar size and weight

People don't realize next to line men tight ends are expected to be the heaviest players on the field and I know their are exceptions to the rule like olb in 3-4 ds whom sre freaks of nature but tight ends need to be built for constant contact

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Originally Posted by Art (Post 169286)

Even if you want to get into HS stats, those are very average for recievers. Esp. against competition where probably NONE of them got scholarships. I dont think he'd even be great in div 1 cfb

he played in ohio

do you understand ohio high school football? the fact he got a small school (football speaking) into the state playoffs is insanity, espescially AS A RECEIVER. if he played for a public city school, with a football focus and not a basketball focus, its fucking over

they were banking on basketball the whole way cuz he was getting looks for that in middle school and in them midget leagues with his boys

if he wouldve went to akron buchtel, or even transferred down here to canton mckinley or over to massillon with a football focus??

but word im high and sidetracked. i was just saying there was probably tons of kids he played with big time scholarships, notre dame, ohio state, michigan, west virginia etc. the best of the best either go OSU or down to the sec

i mean the high school i went to has a documentary, paul brown was the coach at one time, they got a crazy nice stadium, a multi million dollar training facility, the craziest weight room i've ever seen etc etc

and that was massillon ohio

not youngstown. not cleveland. not akron. not columbus. not cincinnati. not even the hall of fame city of canton.

THE ONLY high school football game you can bet on in vegas every year is massillon vs. mckinley

not no florida teams. no texas teams. no georgia teams or any of the other talent producing states

OHIO DA HEARTLAND

LAND OF FOOTBALL

shits realll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9tGclyb1MQ

he was playing teams like that all over the state with a team that probably resembles whatever high school you guys went to lmao

bunch of slow frail white kids

You forgot to mention LeBron had multiple football scholarship offers even after not playing his senior year .. one was from the U another I know was from ohio state

Allen Iverson was mad nice at football too ... dude played iron man started qb started db and returned kicks and punts

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Originally Posted by Frank Metts (Post 169362)

I went to Iverson games when he was at Bethel... he was NASTY...

First half of this thread reeks of bias

Lebron would be placed on ir within the first 3 games

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Originally Posted by uh-oh (Post 169128)

no one could cover him. i wouldnt trust him blocking, at least not at first. but he would be uncoverable. he could run like a wideout, he's 6 foot fucking 8, like 260, he could jump out of the stadium

he would be a monster. whenever i see a dude like jordan cameron or any of these other guys all i can think of is how mediocre they would be compared to lebron

but they are also smaller, so they'd get better leverage blocking. but as a pure receiving tight end no one could cover him. even if they knew he is never gonna block, who they gonna put on him? a linebacker? too slow. too small. a safety? too small. a corner? lmfao yea right.

put it up high and its domination

And this is ALL that makes Jimmy Graham so gawdly. Not the same, but such similar characteristics make it hard to not notice.

Mark my words... Sean Payton is a recruiting genious in the NFL. Bet that!

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Originally Posted by Art (Post 169153)

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you are both retards. srs

^^^

uhoh likes to bring this up every now and then

lebron is soft as fuck for football. he'd need years of conditioning. there's also no proof he has hands or the intelligence (not brain intelligence, football IQ) to run timing routes, etc. worst adversity he has to deal with in basketball is a pick. that's nothing like getting jammed. he'd shatter and cry about being held within 5yd from LOS.

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Originally Posted by Frank Metts (Post 169362)

you gotta remember for every jpp there's a million dudes who fail

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Originally Posted by Frank Metts (Post 169296)

i'm lolin @ lebron getting tagged by demarcus ware just thinking about it

instant IR

let alone an ed reed or bernard pollard or donte whitner type who don't give a fuck about the rules