If abortion is murder, god is the biggest child murderer to ever live, by far.

Name: TJ
Do you believe in God: More like a higher purpose/energy
Religion: No
Do you believe in Life on Other Planets: Mathematically probable so yes
Do you believe in Climate Change: Yes
Should gays be allowed to marry: Yes
Should consensual euthanasia be legalized: yes
Should prostitution be legalized: Yes
Are women equal to men: Yes

Are you

creationist: No
prolife: Women’s choice
prolife in cases of rape: Women’s choice
antivaxxer: No
flat earther: No
death penalty: Yes
anti-immigration: No
pro-guns: No

You should have been murdered

No u

what even is this

Why does abortion being murder have to be linked to religion?

This is the problem. Left vs right is such a clusterfuck of sheep mentality that everything HAS to be how your sides voted position thinks it is.

Because the idea of abortion being murder has its origins in religion
Not necessarily the religious texts, which funnily seem to support it, but most proponents of the “abortion is murder” mentality, are of the religious ilk
But you already know that and clearly just want to argue with someone so, what’s up Knuck?
You good?

Yeah man

But it’s bigger than that, your answer is the easy answer that deflects any serious thought

Abortion being murder is scientific

Not really. If you define life as viable outside of the body, which aborted fetuses certainly aren’t. Like they legit are clumps of cells at that point and speaking as someone who went through a miscarriage, it’s literally the same thing. And I don’t consider either the loss of a life. The loss of a potential life, sure, but not the loss of a life. So not death, and not murder.

I also experienced a miscarriage and feel the opposite of you. It’s what made me more prolife.

Guess some people value life more

personal opinions don't change the science on it. i don't see it as MURDER the same way i don't see manslaughter as murder, or defending your self as MURDER.

but its killing a life for sure. i mean but its all semantics and where people want to draw a line. im sure you'd think different if it was 8 months in the womb, even though it still doesn't "exist" yet

like i'd feel zero guilt having a chick take a plan b but as soon as there is a confirmed pregnancy i'd feel like we killed a life cuz the shit was seeded

the genetics mixed yadig

but word even though i feel like its killing a life i don't think it should be legislated one way or the other. i just think its weird how people pretend its something its not. a collection of cells, lol. im a collection of cells too. every living thing is a collection of cells lol

In this case, some people don’t understand when life begins

I mean, at the core, I don’t really give a shit
It’s not my decision to make for other people
Just like it’s not my decision to tell other people to procreate
I’d never advocate for someone to have an abortion over the alternatives but people deserve the right to decide what they believe about it and what works best for them. If you are truly pro life you’re not going to be for people bringing a bunch of unwanted children into the world that they then abuse and treat like shit.

look into the difference between a cell and an organism friend.

the moment there is a zygote it behaves as an organism, every single form of growth is initiated by the new unique cells created by the mixing of the sperm and the egg, from blocking other sperm from attaching, to creating its organs etc.

its not a collection of human cells. its a new human organism growing into a human.

a baby isn't a rocket scientist, and a zygote isn't a baby. but its an independent life form of its own. its more of a parasite than anything else. but its an independent life in terms of science doggie

agreed 100 percent

its not my decision to make for others. and im a hypocrite as well, because i think someone who kills an actual baby should be put in prison. so i place more value on a human life that exists outside of a woman much more. and on the same side of the coin if a man murders a pregnant woman i don't have a problem with him getting charged with 2 murders. but thats more because it wasn't his decision for that life to enter the world or not.

but word, we're all on the same page im sure, we just have different outlooks on the process

Apparently, because I also agree with everything you just typed

Great post

Life starts at conception.

Fact

naw. The only reason people feel pain is because of their brain, there are people with neurological malfunctions that cause them to not even feel pain, so you could shoot/stab them and they won’t even notice. That poses the question “is it still unethical to hurt them?” And I say ‘yes’ because there’s still the effect of the wound and the effect of possibly dying, and regardless of whether they feel pain, they may still want to have their life, they will still deal with all the physical ramifications of being hurt. Why do they want life? Because their brain tells them to. Why do they deal with those ramifications? Because their brain processes their existence and distresss associated with them.It’s a biological imperative that developed through thousands of years of evolution where people fear death and want life. Which makes sense, because any species that didn’t would’ve already died out.

But to ultimately understand that the only reason humans desire life/fear death is because neurologically they’re preconditioned to is the key. A baby that hasn’t formed a brain or who isn’t cognizant of their existence can’t desire life or fear death, they’re nothing but an inanimate object.

Saying life begins at conception is stupid af. Life only begins when a baby can neurologically process it, which means that a baby being forced into an impoverished home that can’t sustain a baby becomes unethical the moment it’s born. It’s essentially saying “we’re going to destroy this inanimate object” vs. “we’re going to force this cognizant human being to live their entire life in a home where they’re not wanted”. Option B is unequivocally the unethical one

But the more important issue brings us back to the trolley problem. The world is overpopulated, and we can disagree on the timespan but you’re ignorant if you don’t acknowledge that the expansion of humans threatens the entire human race, and anyone who condones families having 4+ children are choosing to kill the 5 over the 1.

Now sure, there are more elegant ways to implement birth control but nobody on the religious side of that fence are proposing those ideals