You’ve already bodied Knuck in this thread several times. And don’t know why you are even engaging with Zelph at this point, he clearly just posting to try and get under your skin.

Most birth controls are only 99% effective

But If it’s administered by Amen it’s 100% effective

Fake news

Trials have never been done

If it weren’t for abortions Amen would have so many step kids

1) The woman still has bodily changes that are irreversible, 9 months of carrying a child in a public setting e.g. work and everyone knowing that you're pregnant and asking "i thought you were pregnant, how is your baby?". It's also not about whether or not men hold those bodily changes against them, it's the fact that women have to endure it themselves

2) It still costs thousands of dollars in medical bills in a health system that is increasingly upcharging patients

3) I would imagine there's also an incredibly complex psychological dispute for any woman who has to make the decision to either give the baby up or keep it. Neither choice is objectively the right one.

4) There are already kids who go their lives without finding homes through fostering or adoption. Restricting abortion will only increase that number substantially. The fact is that there are a lot of people (not all) who just have more interest in raising their own DNA than trying to adopt. The entire adoption process in itself also had a lot of issues that should be worked on, but that's a completely different topic.

Let’s just get rid of manslaughter while we’re at it cus ending a life based on an impulse or mistake isn’t something we should punish

Why hold people accountable it could ruin their lives!!

Address my last post
You won’t
So, stfu

and?
Your posts are 0% effective
What’s your point?

FiNiSh Him

What a doozy!

Bring that writing gusto and creativity to buzzfeed they might make you a barista!

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No point. Carry on

Same thing you said when the local newspaper passed on you for someone without the best degree in journalism

Yeah because writing for newspapers would be awesome

Better than selling phones

Alright. Let's call it cold blooded murder for a second. I don't believe it is but for the sake of debate I'll completely put myself in that situation. Even if it is proven that it's murder and all that jazz I'm still for it. Didn't think I was until you put it that way but I've come to understand that I am for killing babies given the right context and situation.

They still haven't seen daylight and won't know any better, to them life can be fulfilled from the stomach as it's all they've known about with exception of sounds and emotions so in that way I would say it's still morally OK. Rather that than bring another child to a world that is already overpopulated which is something no one really wants to take the full responsibility for, or even talk about, we can only make the best out of the situation. I don't think disallowing abortions is making the best out of the situation but I'm happy to hear reasons that might change my opinion on this. That said, let's continue on.

There can also be tons of reasons why people use sex as an impulse. Nymphomaniacs, extremely depressed chicks with daddy issues and craving that affection more than logic can take credit for, or having other personality disorders that make them act of character (this can go both ways as males with personality disorders or other issues can lead chicks on only to bounce the moment they're pregnant). Despite efforts of doing things right from the girls perspective shit can still go wrong that is outside of their control.
These may not be rape victims, but victims to a medical issue none-the-less, and people dealing with issues like these don't need another barrier to climb when trying to figure out life to the point it doesn't hinder them contributing to society as a whole either emotionally and/or physically. Or what about those that don't care what happens to the baby? There's A LOT of those, specially when it comes to narcissists and people of that ilk. Drinking, doing drugs and all that shit but would have taken an abortion instead. These kids can get royally fucked up brains and be in a difficult position until the day they die.
Teenagers with kids, more trailer parks, apartment buildings for people needing social care and families in debt... For what reason? Because some people think it's sad that unborn children die and get lost on something they never even knew existed? Nah, man. Even then, as dark as I put right now and try to see it from a different perspective, it still doesn't seem right to me. Maybe I'm cold, but I'm also seeing reality for what it is.

The parents are also not being held accountable unless they're sent to prison, in which case they'll only keep the kid around to prevent that while still giving 0 fucks to the child. You're speaking as if all of these about to be parents are going to be logical, rational human being that'll nod their head to the crackpipes hitting the glass table in succession and be like: "Fuck yeah, I'mma turn my life around!"
The baby will most likely go to foster care that already has way too many kids to find homes to with workers on shit pay cuz their daddies don't give a fuck. Unless the kid is getting picked up at foster care because it's a baby and people want what's cute he or she will probably end up being raised there until they can move out on their own which is an issue right now. And that's best case scenarios. A ton of kids go through at least 2-3 families before they settle with someone that doesn't partly do it for the money, but someone who wants them through and through.

With termination of pregnancies being denied to the majority of women regardless of reason is shooting your economy and the work on social issues in the foot on the basis of frail emotions so you can tap yourself on your backs and say "Fuck yeah! WE DID IT!" along with pressuring a stressful situations upon children nobody ever wanted.
Your foundation for who you are as a person is laid during the ages 3-6. How many of these do you think gonna need psychiatric help on/off throughout their life, or maybe needing help from the social offices and so on? Your economy sucks, you don't even have free healthcare and you expect these kids to just go on and live their life happily ever after without consequences to society as a whole?
This already very real existing social issue will just become worse, and people getting or waiting/needing help from other social sectors will suffer because there's only being given so and so much to institutions etc. because budget for these things is a thing and a lot of you don't believe in taxes enough for it to be a realistic goal to achieve. I know it seems like some inhumane point to make but it's true, and poverty will only rise due to this along with bad areas and more and more kids being put to a foster care system that not only struggled before abortion was disallowed, but now that it isn't they probably get twice as many kids as before over the years, or more. There's consequences to everything, also when you don't want to take the tough choices.

Good luck with that and your emotions as the idiotic people with 0 logic and terrible life choices like the majority of NCs population fuck around like rabbits with the poor kids that gotta go through their whole fucking childhood and adolescent years in/out of foster care besides the lucky ones. Have fun with less quality and control on foster parents and even less availability in therapy offices because you felt it was better to disallow people to terminate their pregnancies so you can feel good about yourself. It's egotistical at best to not allow abortion.

I didn't think I'd ever say this seriously, but if push comes to shove; kill the human babies with consciousness and soul before they know any better. It's the tough but only right choice to make when the situation is like this and there's humane ways to deal with it in. Out of the womb? Nah, that's a step further imo and where we need to draw the line.

Well, seeing as how I’ve done both, I think I’d have more authority to speak on that than you do.
I’m sure, judging by what you post, that you’d disagree.

Lol

A person in moral terms is someone who should be treated by moral standards( so you can't treat them in immoral ways, unlike, say, a rock), so if they are persons they have value. I would argue a 5 y.o. has les range of potential than a fetus but also potential has nothing to do with it imo. An 80 something person has less potential than allot of animals, that doesn't mean a dog overvalues an 80 some person.


I would also say that abortion and murdering a 5 year old aren't equally evil in the fact that no decent person would kill a 5 year old with their bare hands, but many decent people would have an abortion. But both lives have almost equal value to me and both should be protected.




what we really should discuss is what makes something a moral person.